That’s a statement from MacRumors, of course Apple tested it.
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Apple Says iPhone 16e's New C1 Modem is Just the 'Start' in Interview
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From my read it was the article's author, not Apple that is waiting on speed tests.
I know that is a common belief on mR, but that is not really Apple's sales approach. There are people who want an iPhone and do not want or need all the bells and whistles; all tthe want is the least expensive Phone since it meets their needs.
So it’s a slower 5g chip with other specifications that are worse than Qualcomm’s.
This isn’t like the change from intel to m1.
You're misunderstanding what they said. MacRumors is waiting to test the modem speeds once they receive a 16e, that wasn't a quote from Srouji. He said that Apple has tested it with 55 carriers in 180 carriers, so Apple has tested this modem quite extensively.
i think, at least for the next generation, c1 will come to the standard iPhone 17 and iPhone air, 17 pro will still get the Qualcomm chip as it’s a more performance oriented device. But this is just the start of the Qualcomm phase out. C2 may be ready by the next upgrade cycle and get implemented across the board.
I other words, we know our modem probably sucks and not gonna be on par with Qualcomm. But we gonna do it anyway, because you know, we don’t want pay Qualcomm.
User experience is secondary to us. We probably gonna handicap Qualcomm modem in our future releases, so our modem won’t be totally suck.
I hope the that real world testing of the Apple C1 modem chips demonstrate world class modem sensitivity and connection reliability. But these have been previous areas where non Qualcomm modem chips have demonstrated clear performance deficiencies.
On the other hand. While Qualcomm modems have clearly demonstrated the best performance. Apple does not use the latest and greatest Qualcomm modems. The iPhone 16 still uses the Qualcomm X71 modem, instead of the latest X80 modem.
So the Apple C1 does it need to match the current of Qualcomm, it just needs to be comparable to Qualcomm products that are a couple of generations old.
On the other hand. While Qualcomm modems have clearly demonstrated the best performance. Apple does not use the latest and greatest Qualcomm modems. The iPhone 16 still uses the Qualcomm X71 modem, instead of the latest X80 modem.
So the Apple C1 does it need to match the current of Qualcomm, it just needs to be comparable to Qualcomm products that are a couple of generations old.
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Countdown is ticking to first lawsuit from Qualcomm.
I wonder if we will get the C1 on MacBooks, especially when they get to the stage of integrating it on the same chip for the iPhone.
Excellent news, and I am sure the performance will be adequate for the 16E, remember, it's the one at the bottom of the offering.
As for the future, I doubt it will ever be integrated with the A chip, read the article and you'll see that its manufactured on a 4nm process which is not the same as the current A18. There's a reason for that, RF circuits can't always use the latest and greatest nodes. Can't wait to the a proper teardown/x-rays of this chip.
As for the future, I doubt it will ever be integrated with the A chip, read the article and you'll see that its manufactured on a 4nm process which is not the same as the current A18. There's a reason for that, RF circuits can't always use the latest and greatest nodes. Can't wait to the a proper teardown/x-rays of this chip.
Apple will probably never integrate it because it doesn't need fast, expensive transistors for the modem. Right now, it uses 4nm.
I think the battery & the C1 chip are remarkable.
I'd be interested with better battery life even with the omission of mmWave.
While Reuters has had numerous stories about the pending release of the 16e and then yesterday when it was released, plus literally dozens of other stories recently that cover the company, the most recent interview they had with an Apple executive, prior to this one, was with Cook, three weeks ago. It's not like Reuters doesn't cover them and it's not like Apple ran to Reuters to get coverage they normally wouldn't.
Obviously, the article means that MacRumors is awaiting test results.
this, and it would be a humongeous part, doesn't make sense at this time and the foreseeable future
The technical guys like Srouji and Ternus almost always get interviewed by CNBC, not Reuters. CNBC sit down video interviews provide a deeper story while Reuters just gives you a snippet. Reuters only makes sense when they have a brief message to send. In this case, it's basically, our modems are a work in progress.
I hope so but the ability of the C1 modem to establish and maintain a connection in a busy low signal environment is a big deal and has yet to been proven. Most users won’t care about a slight drop speed and will be impressed with any power savings, but none of that matters if the modem drops calls and fails to make & maintain connections. Even a slight deficiency in this area is a big deal for most consumers.
Well if that was Apple's media plan it was a failure. Because most of the story is spent on the modem being "an advanced chip that will form the basis of a modem platform Apple will use for years to come," that the C1 will lead to improved battery life, that it allows Apple to break away from using Qualcomm's chips, that the modem will have global compatibility, that only three other companies have done what Apple is doing because modem technology is so complex, Apple's legal battle with Qualcomm and the expectation that Q expects its share of Apple modems to drop to 20% by next year.
Near the bottom the story does mention that the Apple modem does not have m-wave 5G and that M-wave is one of Qualcomm's "strongholds." It comes right after the part where they talk about the custom GPS system and satellite connectivity.
So if Apple was trying to send the message that the C1 is a "work in progress," that message was lost in a story that is clearly and overwhelmingly positive for the C1 modem.
I appreciate the “skepticism”, but, I am sure that Apple has put this thru a very long testing cycle and for them at least they have “proven” that it meets those conditions. And not only in the US, the 16E launches worldwide so I am sure they put it through its paces to support that kinda rollout.
What is missing is user testing and I’m sure the reviewers are putting it through the paces as we speak.
My guess is we will see performance data similar to what we’ve seen with the iPhone 14, maybe a bit better.
Of course it’s just the start. What do you expect otherwise? They are going to ditch the modem and go back after spending this many years on building it?
That is pretty revisionist.
It was a developer platform - but without any SDK for development? So the phone was for web developers who wanted to see what their site looked like under mobile safari as a matter of idle curiosity?
It was limited to the US because of the number of Mac developers, and not because they had only a single carrier launch partner?