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You're conflating software bugs with hardware failures. If you think they're the same thing, I don't think we have much to discuss 🤷‍♂️
No I am referring to management philosophy. Management allocates money for testing and when management does not allocate enough money (or staff teams adequately) testing suffers. It does not matter if that testing is hardware or software.

Apple's philosophy under Cook is squeeze every last penny in favor of the shareholders regardless of what it does to Apple's long term brand. Now, does Cook do this on purpose because he wants to destroy Apple? Of course not. He just does not know any better because he is a bean counter instead of a proper CEO (with sales and brand experience).
 
Mistakes happen, and will happen again.

But make no mistake that it's in APPLE'S best interest to make sure their new modem performs well.
Nah, Apple would rather spend money on marketing that the new modem is the best ever, because most Apple users will believe the marking without any critical thinking whatsoever. Apple has NOT had to be the best at anything once Apple marketing made Apple products fashion accessories.
 
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I look forward to the day when Apple will be able to have their own fully in-house design and not need to pay Qualcomm a cent more, if it ever comes.

Everybody can do an in-house design. But the cellular patents will always remain, which means payments. Look at who contributed to establishing 5G standards. The same group is responsible for 6G.
 
I don’t think Apple wants to go back to Court with Qualcomm so either they found a breakthrough with the Intel patents and help from poached Qualcomm engineers or there just gonna pay Qualcomm just for the royalty fees and save money on the designing aspect and have someone else like TMSC design the modem for them In-House design for way cheaper than Qualcomm would charge to have it already designed and plug in the iPhone.

Apple doesn’t want to look embarrassed again in Court with Qualcomm as after that they came to a agreement.
 
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I don’t think Apple wants to go back to Court with Qualcomm so either they found a breakthrough with the Intel patents and help from poached Qualcomm engineers or there just gonna pay Qualcomm just for the royalty fees and save money on the designing aspect and have someone else like TMSC design the modem for them In-House design for way cheaper than Qualcomm would charge to have it already designed and plug in the iPhone.

Apple doesn’t want to look embarrassed again in Court with Qualcomm as after that they came to a agreement.

There's no "breakthrough" Intel patents. If Intel had any good patents, there would have been a bidding war. Intel wouldn't have sold their modem business for only $1B. That's the cost of taping out a single 3nm chip.
 
Everybody can do an in-house design. But the cellular patents will always remain, which means payments. Look at who contributed to establishing 5G standards. The same group is responsible for 6G.

One can hope. Especially when the patents are based on the price of the final product, rather than being a flat fee.

How is Qualcomm able to charge a royalty for them while Apple is evidently required to give away access to their own platform for free?
 
Nah, Apple would rather spend money on marketing that the new modem is the best ever, because most Apple users will believe the marking without any critical thinking whatsoever. Apple has NOT had to be the best at anything once Apple marketing made Apple products fashion accessories.

You know, that's the argument people have made for DECADES - that people only buy Apple stuff because they fall for the advertising.

In my experience, Apple users tend to be way more demanding and critical of their devices than anyone else. I pay a lot of money for my devices and I don't do so lightly.

But let me pose you the question: the consumers of which consumer tech brand are the most demanding and sophisticated?
 
No I am referring to management philosophy. Management allocates money for testing and when management does not allocate enough money (or staff teams adequately) testing suffers. It does not matter if that testing is hardware or software.

Apple's philosophy under Cook is squeeze every last penny in favor of the shareholders regardless of what it does to Apple's long term brand. Now, does Cook do this on purpose because he wants to destroy Apple? Of course not. He just does not know any better because he is a bean counter instead of a proper CEO (with sales and brand experience).

Yes, I've heard that argument.

The problem is that it relies entirely on knowing what is in Tim Cook's heart, which none of us have access to. (or maybe you do?)

Who knows, maybe it's correct that Apple is just greedy and trying to milk the market for all it's worth.

But curiously, no one ever tends to include the following facts with the above argument:

First, Apple's headcount has EXPLODED since Tim Cook took over, which seems to refute the point that it's all about cost saving or inadequate staffing.

Second, devices, services, and software today are infinitely more complicated and interconnected than ever before. This presents extremely difficult and complicated challenges with regards to testing and bug fixing, which no one seems to acknowledge.

I'm not saying Apple doesn't have a greedy side to them, because they do.

I just think the argument that it's all bad or greedy is overly simplistic and ignores real world constraints.
 
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There's no "breakthrough" Intel patents. If Intel had any good patents, there would have been a bidding war. Intel wouldn't have sold their modem business for only $1B. That's the cost of taping out a single 3nm chip.
So what do you think will be the case? Will this truly be a all Apple TSMC designed in-house custom 5g modem or

Or Will Apple just be paying Qualcomm for royalty fees and marketing or calling it there own custom modem.
 
There's no "breakthrough" Intel patents. If Intel had any good patents, there would have been a bidding war. Intel wouldn't have sold their modem business for only $1B. That's the cost of taping out a single 3nm chip.
I remember using the Intel modem Version iPhone and the modem did well internet data wise but I remember people were saying they were mainly having issues with dropped calls rather than internet data.

Back then I mainly texted and used Internet Data more than I took calls 📞 so maybe I didn’t get the opportunity to experience what others were experiencing with the Intel modem dropped calls.

If Apple tweaked correctly engineered the dropped calls issues then they will be all set.
 
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So what do you think will be the case? Will this truly be a all Apple TSMC designed in-house custom 5g modem or

Or Will Apple just be paying Qualcomm for royalty fees and marketing or calling it there own custom modem.

It’s Apple designed but they can’t avoid the patents. Apple will be paying less than before but still paying. Right now, Apple pays for the house and blueprints, but they’ll eventually only have to pay only for the blueprints.

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It’s Apple designed but they can’t avoid the patents. Apple will be paying less than before but still paying. Right now, Apple pays for the house and blueprints, but they’ll eventually only have to pay only for the blueprints.

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Paying Less is always better for Apple, Cook and the shareholders.

Cook seems pretty confident with this custom modem so Apple must be saving a heap of money 💰 with this breakthrough.

It is going in the entry level iPhone SE first for testing.
 
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Paying Less is always better for Apple, Cook and the shareholders.

Cook seems pretty confident with this custom modem so Apple must be saving a heap of money 💰 with this breakthrough.

It is going in the entry level iPhone SE first for testing.

I think they're cautiously optimistic about their modem. Put it in SE4 first, which gives them 6 months to fix any critical bugs and respin the silicon if needed for the iPhone 17 Slim. Highest volume iPhone 17/Pro/Max stays with Qualcomm to be safe.

Compare that with the confidence in M1, where they hot launched the chip in their highest volume Mac products on day one: MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and Mac mini.
 
I think they're cautiously optimistic about their modem. Put it in SE4 first, which gives them 6 months to fix any critical bugs and respin the silicon if needed for the iPhone 17 Slim. Highest volume iPhone 17/Pro/Max stays with Qualcomm to be safe.

Compare that with the confidence in M1, where they hot launched the chip in their highest volume Mac products on day one: MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and Mac mini.
I would cautiously stay away from the first generation Apple modem.

Maybe Cook has a rabbit 🐰 up his sleeve and surprises us in March with breakthrough modem technology. We shall see if all the hard work & experience & money invested has paid off for Apple 🍎
 
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